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In this episode, Patrick McKenzie (patio11) is joined by Ben Reinhardt, founder of Speculative Technologies, to examine how science gets funded in the United States and why the current system leaves m...
Patrick McKenzie and Ben Reinhardt dissect the broken taxonomy of basic, applied, and development research that's encoded into US law, examining how the current university-based funding system creates perverse incentives through tech transfer offices, rigid grant structures, and bureaucratic overhead. They explore how the PI-centric model forces scientists to be fundraisers, administrators, and researchers simultaneously, while funding mechanisms incentivize grad student labor over automation and professional expertise. The conversation highlights emerging alternatives like focused research organizations and new institutional experiments attempting to fix these systemic issues.
Ben Reinhardt explains why the legally-encoded three-bucket system (basic, applied, development) fails to capture how breakthrough science actually happens. Using semiconductors and transistors as examples, he demonstrates how real research involves tangled loops between fundamental physics discoveries and product development, with teams simultaneously working on quantum mechanics and practical amplifiers.
Overview of how ~$900 billion in US research funding is allocated: roughly $700B goes to development, with the remainder split 2:1 between applied and basic research. While businesses contribute ~$600B, the vast majority goes to development work, and much of what's coded as 'R&D' includes routine software feature development due to tax incentives.
Ben argues that university tech transfer offices should be 'burned to the ground' - only 16% are profitable, they generate single-digit billions annually despite handling all university spinouts (including RNA vaccines and Google), and they create massive friction for researchers trying to commercialize their own inventions through onerous licensing deals and bureaucratic delays.
The PI (Principal Investigator) system requires individual professors to handle fundraising, research execution, team leadership, and administration for very specific project scopes. This is equivalent to requiring startups to have only one executive doing all roles, with funding tied to specific features rather than general company operations.
Grant funding specifies exactly how money must be spent, with most earmarked for grad students rather than equipment or professional staff. This creates incentives against automation and professional expertise, forcing labs to use five grad students for repetitive tasks instead of buying robots, directly impacting research productivity and quality.
Patrick shares a case study of a COVID drug trial blocked by a 200-question intake form (only 4 questions were required) that the team couldn't modify because only one grad student knew PHP, and she wasn't available. The solution required calling in external favors rather than using proper funding mechanisms to hire professional help.
US legislation views grad students as serving dual purposes (workforce training + research production), leading to overproduction of PhDs and lower research quality. Using trainees for all research is like having interns build every software feature, with additional problems from lack of continuity when students graduate and institutional knowledge disappears.
Despite systemic problems, a growing community of 'misfits' is experimenting with new institutional models. Focused research organizations, ARPA-style programs (like UK's ARIA), and organizations like Speculative Technologies are inverting traditional constraints by funding professional teams working on useful problems without bureaucracy or artificial basic/applied distinctions.
The economics of discovery, with Ben Reinhardt
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