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Note: Steve and Gene’s talk on Vibe Coding and the post IDE world was one of the top talks of AIE CODE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dtu2bilcFs&t=1019s&pp=0gcJCU0KAYcqIYzv From building legenda...
Steve Yegge delivers a provocative manifesto on vibe coding, arguing that by January 2025, engineers still using IDEs will be "bad engineers." Drawing from 45 years of experience at Google, Amazon, and SourceGraph, he makes the case that AI-powered agentic coding represents a fundamental shift from "subsistence agriculture" to "factory farming" of code. The conversation covers practical challenges like the 2000-hour learning curve, merge conflicts at scale, agent orchestration strategies, and why Claude Code isn't the final answer—while predicting massive productivity gains (10x) and organizational upheaval ahead.
Steve identifies a specific demographic—senior engineers with 12-15 years of experience—as the primary resistance to AI coding adoption. Unlike junior engineers and non-engineers who embrace vibe coding, this group's identity is deeply tied to traditional coding methods. The discussion explores why this resistance exists and the cultural shift required to adopt AI-powered development.
Steve reveals anecdotal data from OpenAI showing 10x productivity differences between engineers using agentic coding versus traditional IDEs, measured across lines of code, commits, and business impact. He makes the bold claim that engineers still using IDEs by January 1, 2025 will be "bad engineers," emphasizing the urgent need to develop AI coding skills.
A critical discussion of why AI coding adoption is difficult: it requires approximately 2000 hours (one full year) of practice before developers can predict AI behavior and trust it. Steve emphasizes that superficial attempts (2 hours) produce garbage, while deep expertise (2000 hours) enables true productivity. The conversation includes real examples of AI mistakes and the skills needed to work effectively with agents.
Steve warns against the "hot hand" fallacy—when AI seems to understand you after successful tasks, leading to overconfidence. He shares a production disaster story where an AI changed database passwords and locked out his entire system while trying to solve an access problem, illustrating why you should never anthropomorphize LLMs.
Steve critiques Claude Code despite its proven effectiveness, arguing it requires reading "waterfalls" of text, code, and diffs that most engineers find overwhelming. While expert users can evaluate changes from "the shape and color of diffs," the tool is too hard for mass adoption. The solution lies in visual agent orchestration dashboards, not chat-based interfaces.
Steve describes building VibeCoder (VC), an agent orchestration dashboard that represents the post-IDE future. Instead of writing code, developers manage multiple agents through visual workflows, activity feeds, and notifications. The discussion covers emerging patterns like agent-to-agent communication via MCP Agent Mail and how orchestrators will handle 90% of routine agent management tasks.
Steve discusses Beads, an issue tracker with tens of thousands of users that was built entirely through vibe coding—he never looked at the code. The project demonstrates that production-quality software can be built without traditional code review, as long as the right questions are asked and AI handles the analysis. The architecture is "really weird" but works because AI can fix corruption and merge conflicts automatically.
Merging is identified as "the wall" that everyone hits with 10x productivity gains. When multiple developers make 30,000-line changes simultaneously, traditional merge conflict resolution fails—changes must be re-envisioned and reimplemented on top of each other. One company's solution: one engineer per repo. Graphite is positioned as best-suited to solve this, but no complete solution exists yet.
Steve introduces the "factory farming" metaphor for the future of coding, contrasting subsistence agriculture (traditional programming) with industrial-scale code production. This shift unlocks programming for non-programmers and suggests ideal team sizes of 2-3 people. The change is meeting massive philosophical resistance from those attached to "craftsman" coding approaches.
Steve challenges Joel Spolsky's famous "never rewrite your code" principle, arguing that for an increasing class of codebases, AI can rewrite from scratch better than fixing existing code. He discovered this porting unit tests between architectures—throwing out and regenerating tests was faster than iterative fixes. This represents a fundamental inversion of 20 years of software engineering wisdom.
Steve analyzes Google's cultural transformation from "engineers do whatever they want" to accountability-driven execution, crediting this shift for Gemini's success. He reveals that Google, Anthropic, and OpenAI are all experiencing extreme internal chaos due to hypergrowth, with Anthropic hiding it best through strong product management. The discussion covers hiring surges, organizational silos, and execution challenges across all three labs.
Steve predicts 2025 could be the year of open source models, as they're only 7 months behind frontier models and the gap is narrowing. When open source reaches Claude Sonnet 3.5 quality, developers can run Claude Code-equivalent tools locally for free. This will force tools to get better at task decomposition and model routing for cost optimization.
Steve redefines what "knowing how to code" means in the AI era: understanding language-neutral capabilities (functions, classes, objects, monads) and architectural concepts, not syntax. The level shifts from writing code to product manager-level architectural thinking, combined with deep technical knowledge of systems like Cloudflare and Cassandra. This technical literacy remains essential even as code writing becomes automated.
Steve Yegge's Vibe Coding Manifesto: Why Claude Code Isn't It & What Comes After the IDE
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