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In this special end-of-year episode, the tables are turned: I’m the guest, and I’m interviewed by Zac Gross — an Australian macroeconomist and long-time listener of the show. We refl...
In this end-of-year retrospective, Joe Walker is interviewed by listener and Australian macroeconomist Zac Gross. They discuss the podcast's evolution in 2025, including the pivot to Australian public policy content, the shift to video, and challenges in scaling production. Key insights include Walker's changed views on housing policy (realizing YIMBY solutions may take 10-20 years), the importance of Australia's compliance culture for state capacity, and reflections on what makes Australia exceptional. The conversation covers everything from podcast business strategy to geopolitical risks and the future of immigration policy.
Walker reveals he never moved to the UK as previously announced, instead staying in Australia while pursuing a US visa. He explains the pivot from UK (plan B) to US (plan A) and his focus on Australian content before relocating. Discusses the awkwardness of not updating his audience on these changed plans.
Discussion of how the podcast business has evolved, including the mandatory shift to video for growth and discoverability. Walker explains how video enables more creative advertising approaches and discusses the 'everything is television' thesis affecting podcasting.
Walker explains why he largely avoided AI content in 2025 despite it being ubiquitous on other podcasts. His decision framework centers on 'counterfactual value' - what unique contribution he can make. He's skeptical of AGI timelines and believes AI is both underrated and overrated depending on context.
Walker discusses his heavy focus on Australian public policy in 2025, initially conceived as a 'parting gift' before moving to the US. He realized this niche was severely underserved and continued despite international audience trade-offs. Plans to maintain both Australian policy and general intellectual content streams.
Deep dive into what makes Australia exceptional. Walker identifies the 'dark matter' of Australian state capacity as political culture of faith in administrative state and obedience to impersonal authority. Discusses three dimensions of state capacity: extractive, coordination, and compliance - with Australia excelling particularly at compliance.
Walker's biggest intellectual update of 2025 came from Peter Tulip's estimate that even maximally ambitious deregulation would take 10-20 years to reduce Sydney/Melbourne prices 30-40%. This revealed housing won't be solved within our lifetimes through YIMBY alone, requiring rethinking of urgency and solutions.
Walker learned from Abu Rizvi that slowing population aging was the main motivation for 2001 immigration changes - undersold to the public. He's skeptical this rationale matters much, noting the eschatological framing around aging doesn't account for productivity growth or other societal changes.
Tyler Cowen-style rapid assessment of key topics. Notable takes: AUKUS overrated (US won't deliver), productivity statistics overrated, US-China conflict underrated, baby bonus underrated (rare TFR increase), life extension underrated (people too accepting of death), AGI advent overrated as probability.
Walker expresses renewed appreciation for Australia's cabinet system after interviewing Glyn Davis and Terry Moran. The Cabinet Handbook documents evolved practices not in constitution, revealing how PM power works through agenda-setting and committee structure rather than formal authority.
When asked what to tell a US governor about Australian state capacity, Walker suggests switching to Westminster system or establishing independent evidence-based institutions like the Productivity Commission. Discusses plans for 2026 including pursuing Paul Keating interview and maintaining dual Australian/international content streams.
2025 Retrospective — A Listener (Zac Gross) Interviews Me
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