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In this episode, Jason and Carlos sit down with Martin Robey, Head of Planning at Volker Fitzpatrick and Volker Stevan. Martin brings decades of experience from major UK contractors, including Balfour...
Martin Robey, Head of Planning at Volker Fitzpatrick, challenges fundamental assumptions about construction planning ownership and culture. He argues that everyone on a project is responsible for planning at different horizons, not just planners, and draws fascinating parallels between how communication technology has paradoxically made teams less committed to plans than they were 30 years ago. The conversation explores practical frameworks for planning ownership across different time horizons, the cultural shift needed to move from reactive firefighting to proactive planning, and why the industry needs to restate (not just return to) basics for new generations.
Martin breaks down the critical distinction between accountability and responsibility in planning. While planning departments are responsible for the program, project teams must have accountability and ownership at different levels. The industry often misunderstands this, defaulting to 'your program' language that undermines team ownership.
Martin outlines a practical framework for planning at different time horizons. The contract program (master schedule) sits with project leads, weekly plans become commitments owned by agents/engineers, and the planning horizon at each level should match the time needed to solve problems at that level.
Martin uses a provocative analogy comparing construction planning to social planning 30 years ago. Before mobile phones, 10 people would commit to meet at the pub Friday night and all 10 would show up early because there was no other option. Today's constant communication paradoxically enables less commitment, and this cultural shift has infected construction project delivery.
Martin explains how the evolution of planning as a specialized function has inadvertently confused ownership. NEC contracts put programs at the core, requiring dedicated planning resources, but this has led to misunderstanding where 30 years ago agents and PMs clearly owned their section delivery while planners handled procurement and materials.
When asked about implementing planning standards across a business, Martin identifies four critical elements: understanding the 'why', setting clear processes and expectations, providing the right tools, and most importantly, creating the 'want'. He argues the industry needs to restate basics for new generations, not just return to them, because many have never experienced foundational practices.
Martin challenges the common refrain that 'the program is wrong' by arguing plans are based on information available at the time. The real problem is teams don't understand the logic, constraints, resources, and risk assumptions behind the plan. Planning isn't just the Gantt chart - it's all the narratives, schedules, sketches, and daily briefings that support it.
Martin emphasizes that delivery teams shouldn't be forced to plan unrealistic work just because the master schedule says so. If the contract program says pour concrete Thursday but foundations aren't built by Monday, teams must have the authority to plan reality. The failure isn't missing master schedule dates - it's not having a plan to get there as quickly as possible.
Martin discusses the challenge of hiring project managers with planning ethos in a resource-constrained industry. He highlights the advantage of having learned in the analog world before transitioning to digital, as it provides understanding of the 'why' behind practices. His ideal: planners should be project managers with additional skills, deeply embedded across all project aspects.
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