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Why do billions of dollars of stock trade hands based on napkin math and vibes? Billy Gallagher, CEO of Prospect and former Rippling employee, joins Patrick McKenzie (patio11) to walk through the info...
Billy Gallagher, CEO of Prospect and former Rippling employee, joins Patrick McKenzie to discuss the critical equity decisions that cost less-sophisticated employees massive amounts of money. They cover early exercise strategies, 83(b) elections, AMT calculations, tender offers, and the information asymmetry that exists between employees who understand equity mechanics versus those relying on 'vibes-based investing.' The conversation emphasizes how timing-sensitive decisions—some with 30-day deadlines—can create hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars in tax differences, and why HR legally cannot provide the guidance employees desperately need.
Patrick and Billy discuss how equivalent equity promises result in vastly different outcomes based on employee sophistication. Employees from advantaged backgrounds (Stanford grads, second-time unicorn employees) make better decisions on time-sensitive equity choices, while less-connected employees lose hundreds of thousands due to clicking wrong buttons or missing deadlines. HR cannot provide useful advice due to legal constraints.
Overview of how startups structure equity grants, distinguishing between options (right to buy stock at strike price) and RSUs (direct stock grants with higher taxes). Standard vesting is four years with one-year cliff—no equity for first year, then 25% on day 365, remaining 75% over 36 months. The 20% employee equity pool typically dilutes to 10% by IPO.
Early exercise allows employees to buy unvested options immediately, locking in lowest tax basis when strike price equals fair market value (often zero tax burden). The tradeoff: increases variance—best case is minimal taxes on huge gains, worst case is losing the exercise cash if company fails. Waiting to exercise can result in massive tax bills as the 'bargain element' (spread between strike and FMV) gets taxed at ordinary income rates.
The 83(b) election must be filed within 30 days of early exercise to lock in tax treatment and qualify for QSBS (up to $10M in tax-free gains). Missing this deadline has no remedy—the IRS will tax vesting events at ordinary income rates. Founders have been personally bankrupted by missing this filing, owing $1.4M+ in taxes on illiquid stock. Even Stripe had to build automated systems to ensure founders file this critical document.
Incentive Stock Options (ISOs) use Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) system with lower rates (26-28%) versus ordinary income (up to 37%) for Non-Qualified Stock Options (NSOs). AMT requires calculating taxes under both regular and AMT systems, paying whichever is higher. Small ISO exercises can sometimes incur zero AMT. Exercising ISOs generates AMT credits usable in future years, adding another layer of complexity.
Attending a conference in Illinois for one week while vesting $4M creates Illinois tax liability on that week's portion. High-flying companies maintain spreadsheets tracking employee days in various states. Digital nomads face worst-case scenarios where highest-tax jurisdiction claims full residency. Establishing residence requires lease, driver's license, and putting down roots—Airbnbs can trigger residency claims. Patrick personally pays taxes to states he doesn't live in due to work travel.
Companies clam up on equity advice because unsophisticated employees aren't accredited investors—giving advice creates 'put rights' where employees can demand money back if advice proves wrong. If Bob in HR tells you to spend $300k exercising and company fails, you can sue Bob personally for $300k. Securities regulations protect unsophisticated investors, and equity grants fall under these rules. This forces employees to rely on 'bootleg spreadsheets' passed around by veteran employees.
Tender offers now happen earlier and more frequently—sometimes multiple times per year at rapidly growing companies. Employees face complex decisions: sell now at known price vs. hold for potential 2x in 6 months, but no guarantee of future tender offers. Companies never promise future liquidity. Must balance desire to hold concentrated position in employer vs. need for cash for house, family, or diversification. Adds complexity of which specific lots to sell for tax optimization.
Companies give refresh grants to prevent cliff-vesting employees from leaving after year 4. These have much more variable structures than initial grants—some are stacking 1-year quarterly vests, others are new 4-year vests, some are back-weighted. After 7 years at a successful company, employees have waterfall of grants at different strike prices, partial exercises, partial sales in tenders—creating combinatorial complexity that bootleg spreadsheets can't handle.
Early employees face liquidity crunch for exercising options—might need $25k-$300k cash. Options range from family loans, 401(k) loans, home equity, credit cards, to specialized equity loan companies (which employers hate). As employees become wealthier, private banking unlocks bespoke solutions, but early decisions made without these tools create permanent tax consequences. Banks use internal wealth scales ($1-$5 signs) to determine service level—most startup employees start at $1, some reach $3.
Understanding equity at tech companies, with Billy Gallagher of Prospect
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